>>> BOSTON MEDIA
>>> BOSTON MEDIA CENTER.
>>> BOSTON MEDIA CENTER. BE
SURE TO USE THE HASH-TAG "NBC-GOV-DEBATE."
BOTH CANDIDATES HAVE AGREED TO
TONIGHT )S FORMAT.
WE CONDUCTED A COIN TOSS TO
DETERMINE WHO WOULD GET THE
FIRST QUESTION, AND WHO WOULD GO
FIRST FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS ---
GEOFF DIEHL WON BOTH OF THOSE.
THIS FIRST QUESTION IS FOR BOTH
CANDIDATES
MR. DIEHL--- YOU AND THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL HAVE BOTH BEEN
VERY CRITICAL OF THE DIRECTION
YOU BELIEVE YOUR OPPONENT WOULD
TAKE THE STATE IF ELECTED
GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS.
NOW WE HEARD YOUR OPENING
STATEMENTS AT THE TOP OF THE
BROADCAST--- PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY
A HEALEY ADMINISTRATION IS NOT
I GET IT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THE STATE MORE
AFFORDABLE.
>> THANK YOU.
MS. HEALEY.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO EXPAND
AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACROSS
MASSACHUSETTS, MAKE THE STATE
MORE AFFORDABLE?
>> EVERY DAY I’M ALL OVER THE
STATE, AND NO MATTER WHAT REGION
I’M VISITING I HEAR FROM PEOPLE,
RES DEPARTMENTS
RESIDENTS WHO CAN’T AFFORD GAS,
GROCERIES, WHO CAN’T AFFORD
RENT, WHO CAN’T THINK ABOUT
DOWNSIZING BECAUSE THEY CAN’T
AFFORD A HOUSE TO PURCHASE.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH
AFFORDABILITY ISSUES.
AS GOVERNOR I WILL DO EVERYTHING
I CAN TO MAKE THIS STATE MORE
AFFORDABLE.
I WANT US COMPETITIVE, CORY.
I WANT US TO BE A STATE WHERE IF
YOU ARE BORN HERE, YOU CAN STAY
HERE, YOU CAN GROW A FAMILY,
GROW A BUSINESS.
I WANT COMPANIES AND EMPLOYERS
COMING TO OUR GREAT STATE, BUT
WE HAVE TO WORK ON THAT
AFFORDABILITY ISSUE.
HERE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
WE NEED HOUSING STOCK ACROSS THE
STATE FOR HOUSING AT VARIOUS
INCOME LEVELS.
WE NEED TO DRIVE DOWN THE COST
OF TRANSPORTATION AND FIX OUR
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
MY PLANS ARE REALLY EXTENSIVE IN
TERMS OF ADDRESSING BOTH OF
THOSE ISSUES.
THESE ARE KEY THINGS.
ON THE PIPELINES, I’M HAPPY TO
TALK ABOUT THAT.
I ACTUALLY SAID NO TO THE
PIPELINES BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO
CHARGE US AS RATE PAYERS RATHER
THAN FOOT THE BILL THEMSELVES.
I SAVED RATE PAYERS $4.5
BILLION, GEOFF.
THAT’S WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR
GREAT PAYERS STANDING UP TO
UTILITIES
UTILITIES.
I WILL DO IT AGAIN CERTAINLY AS
GOVERNOR.
>> MR. DIEHL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
RESPOND?
>> SURE.
AGAIN, AFFORDABILITY TO BE ABLE
TO BUY A HOUSE, EITHER START
YOUR FAMILY IN A FIRST HOME OR
DOWN SOOIZ IF
DOWNSIZE IF YOU ARE RETIRING, IT
IS HARD TO FIND STOCK OUT THERE.
AT THE SAME TIME IT IS IMPORTANT
THAT WE ELECT PEOPLE THAT AREN’T
GOING TO DRIVE UP THE COST IN
THIS STATE.
SHE SUPPORTED PRESIDENT BIDEN,
WHO HAS BASICALLY GIVEN US
MASSIVE INFLATION, MORTGAGE
RATES ARE INCREASING RIGHT NOW,
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT’S A MAJOR
PART OF WHY PEOPLE CAN’T GET
INTO THOSE HOMES.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, BUT AT THE
SAME TIME, CORY, WE HAVE TO
PROVIDE THE JOBS AND MAKE SURE
THEY CAN EARN THAT INCOME.
I STARTED A BUSINESS WITH MY
WIFE.
WE STRUGGLED FOR A FEW YEARS TO
MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL AND NOW IT
IS, 20 YEARS LATER.
WE KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO TRY
TO INVEST IN MASSACHUSETTS AND
PUT YOUR LIFE SAVINGS INTO
SOMETHING YOU BELIEVE IN, AND
YET WE ARE SEEING THAT QUESTION
ONE POTENTIALLY DRIVE PEOPLE WHO
INVEST IN BUSINESSES, WHO INVEST
IN THIS STATE, DRIVING THEM OUT.
WE ARE GOING TO SEE CAPITAL
FLEEING IF THAT QUESTION ONE
PASSES.
THAT’S NOT FRIENDLY TO THE
ECONOMY FOR MASSACHUSETTS.
>> THAT’S TIME FOR BOTH FOLKS IN
THIS QUESTION.
CORY, THANK YOU FOR THAT
QUESTION.
LET’S MOVE ON TO ANOTHER HOT
TOP, TRANSPORTATION, A TOP
CONCERN FOR OUR VIEWERS.
I HIT THE STREET TO SPEAK TO
FOLKS ABOUT IT AND HERE IS WHAT
THEY HAD TO SAY.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO GOVERNOR TO
PAY ATTENTION A LITTLE MORE TO
TRANSPORTATION.
>> I THINK DIDN’T HAVE --
TRANSPORTATION AND ALSO WHEN
THEY SHUT DOWN THE ORANGE LINE
IT SET US BACK A LOT.
>> AND THEY ARE NOT ALONE.
WE RECEIVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS
ABOUT THIS.
TRAVIS WROTE, QUOTE, THE MBTA IN
ALL MODES IS CRUMBLING.
WHAT CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE TO
LEADERSHIP AND THE CULTURE OF
THE MBTA.
MS. HEALEY, WE WILL START WITH
YOU.
>> FIRST OF ALL, WE DON’T HAVE A
FUNCTIONING ECONOMY IN
MASSACHUSETTS UNLESS WE HAVE A
FUNCTIONING PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT WORKS
FOR ALL OVER THE STATE.
WE NEED TO MAKE IT SAFE, WE NEED
TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE, AND WE
NEED TO MAKE IT RELIABLE.
HERE IS WHAT I WILL DO AS
GOVERNOR.
I’M GOING TO APPOINT A SAFETY
CHIEF TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF
OUR RAILS AND BUSES ARE CHECKED
AND INSPECTED AND ARE RUNNING IN
SAFE CONDITION.
I AM ALSO GOING TO CHANGE THE
WAY THAT EVERYTHING IS GOVERNED
RIGHT NOW AND MAKING SURE WE
HAVE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
CAPITAL PLANNING AS WELL AS
OPERATIONS.
THREE, I WILL SPEND A LOT OF
FOCUS ON WORKFORCE BECAUSE RIGHT
NOW WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE
WHO ARE TRAINED.
WE NEED TO RECRUIT MORE PEOPLE
INTO THIS WORKFORCE.
IT IS A REAL WORKFORCE ISSUE
WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE MONEY
COMING IN AND WE HAVE
INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS TO BE
DEPLOYED, AND I PROUDLY
SUPPORTED THE USE OF THAT.
WE GOT A FUND, ACTUALLY CHAPTER
90 WHEN IT COMES TO OUR BRIDGES
AND ROADS, IN ADDITION TO
FUNDING REALLY IMPORTANT
TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AROUND
THE STATE.
>> MS. HEALEY, THAT’S YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU.
MR. DIEHL, SAME QUESTION.
TRAVIS SAYING, WHAT NEEDS TO BE
CHANGED IN LEADERSHIP AND THE
CULTURE AT THE MBTA?
WHAT CAN YOU DO?
>> GREAT, GREAT QUESTION.
>> 50 SECONDS.
>> YEAH, MY WIFE AND A I NEVER
OWNED A CAR WHEN WE FIRST MET
AND WE TOOK THE TRAIN
TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION EVERYWHERE.
WE ARE BIG BELIEVERS IN PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION.
WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE IN BOSTON,
BUT ALSO TRANSPORTATION AROUND
THE STATE NEEDS TO BE RELIABLE.
YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
TRAINS ARE RUNNING, THAT THE
BUSES ARE RUNNING.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO I BELIEVE IS
NOT BRING IN CONSULTANTS TO COME
IN TO TELL THE MBTA WHAT TO DO.
WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THE
WORKERS.
THE WORKERS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
NEEDS TO BE FIXED WITH THE RAIL
LINES, WITH THE CARS.
WE HAVE A CHINESE COMPANY THAT’S
BUILT THE RAIL CARS THAT’S
CONSISTENTLY BEEN LATE ON
DELIVERY OF THOSE CARS, AND THEN
WHEN WE GET THEM THEY DON’T MEET
THE SPECIFICATION SO THEY HAVE
TO BE TAKEN OFF THE TRACK.
BAD CONTRACTS NEED TO BE GOTTEN
RID OF.
AT THE SAME TIME LISTEN TO THE
WORKERS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO
DO.
BY THE WAY, BEYOND JUST THE MBTA
TRANSPORTATION, CLIMATE
INITIATIVE IS SOMETHING MAURA
HEALEY WANTS TO BRING BACK.
TCI WOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF
FUEL IN OUR STATE AND COST MORE
MONEY FOR COMMUTERS TO GET
AROUND IF THEY DRIVE.
THAT’S A BAD SOLUTION.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE ALL
SOLUTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE FOR
TRANSPORTATION.
>> MR. DIEHL, THAT’S YOUR TIME.
MS. HEALEY, WOULD YOU LIKE A
30-SECOND REBUTTAL?
GLI THINK IT GETS TO
.
>> I THINK IT GETS TO THE ISSUE
OF AFFORDABILITY.
AS GOVERNOR I WILL CUT TAXES.
RIGHT NOW THE LEGISLATURE NEEDS
TO ACT AND GET THE $3 BILLION IN
SURPLUS OUT THE DOOR, CHECKS TO
TAXPAYERS NOW.
SECOND, WE NEED TO PASS TAX
REFORM.
GOVERNOR BAKER PUT FORWARD A TAX
PLAN I SUPPORT.
IT WILL PROVIDE TAX CUTS TO
SENIORS, THROW AND MIDDLE INCOME
FAMILIES, TO RENTERS.
IT ALSO WILL CUT THE ESTATE TAX
WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IN
THE STATE, ESPECIALLY AS WE’VE
SEEN HOUSING PRICES INCREASE.
I THINK THE MEDIAN INCOME NOW IS
ABOUT $549,000.
629 IN GREATER BOSTON.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THESE ARE ALL
THINGS I SUPPORT THAT ALSO GET
TO THE ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE.
>> MS. HEALEY, THAT’S TIME.
>>> MR. DIEHL, ACCORDING TO MASS
D.O.T. MORE THAN 400 BRIDGES IN
MASSACHUSETTS ARE STRUCTURALLY
DEFISH ET.
DEFICIENT.
HOW WILL YOU ADDRESS THE
INFRASTRUCTURE?
>> LOOK AT THE BRIDGE NEAR
LOWELL.
WHAT A DISASTER.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TEMPORARY
AND HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1984.
I COMMIT TO FIXING THE ROURKE
BRIDGE RIGHT AWAY.
THERE ARE OTHER BRIDGES IN NEED
OF REPAIR.
MAURA HEALEY MENTIONED THIS AND
I AGREE WITH HER, WE ARE
UNDERSTAFFED ACROSS THE STATE IN
ALL DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING THE
MBTA, INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION.
ONE REASON IS BECAUSE OF THE
VACCINE MANDATE PUT ON STATE
WORKERS.
IF THEY DIDN’T GET VACCINATED
THEY LOST THEIR JOB.
A LOT TOOK EARLY RETIREMENT, A
LOT WERE FIRED.
WE HAD STATE TROOPERS THAT WERE
FIRED THAT SHOULDN’T HAVE BEEN.
WHEN WE ARE UNDERSTAFFED AT THE
MBTA, THAT’S WHY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT HAS STEPPED IN AND IS
OVERSEEING US.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL DO ON
DAY ONE IS RETURN EVERY WORKER
TO THEIR JOB.
DAY TWO I WILL MAKE SURE
EVERYONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION
WHO THOUGHT STEPPING ON PEOPLE’S
CIVIL RIGHTS WAS A GOOD IDEA,
THEY’RE OUT OF THE
ADMINISTRATION.
>> THANK YOU.
MAURA HEALEY, SAME QUESTIONS.
MORE THAN 400 BRIDGES IN
MASSACHUSETTS ARE STRUCTURALLY
DEFICIENT.
HOW WILL YOU ADDRESS THE STATE
INFRASTRUCTURE?
>> WE NEED TO USE THE
INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS RIGHT AWAY.
I TALKED TO SO MANY MAYORS AND
TOWN MANAGERS AROUND THE STATE.
THERE ARE SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS.
WE NEED TO GET THE MONEY OUT TO
OUR CITIES AND TOWNS SO THEY CAN
DO THIS WORK.
YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT
TRANSPORTATION.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS YOU
ARE DOING TO FOCUS ON THE FACT
THAT OUR BRIDGES AND OUR ROADS
NEED THE SUPPORT, NEED THE
INVESTMENTS.
THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF JOBS.
THIS GOES TO QUALITY OF LIFE,
AND I WANT MASSACHUSETTS AS I
SAID AT THE OUTSET TO BE THE
GREATEST STATE I BELIEVE WE ARE
IN THE COUNTRY, BUT A STATE
WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME,
BUSINESSES WANT TO COME, PEOPLE
WANT TO DPROEGROW FAMILIES AND
OPPORTUNITIES.
ONE WAY TO MAKE SURE WE GET
THERE IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE A
FANTASTIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM,
WE HAVE AFFORDABLE COST OF
LIVING WHEN IT COMES TO CHILD
CARE AND THE LIKE AND SUPPORT
FOR EDUCATION.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR THE NEXT GOVERNOR.
>> THANK YOU.
I HEARD SOME COMMON GROUND
BETWEEN YOU TWO CANDIDATES BUT
OBVIOUSLY SOME DIFFERENCES AS
WELL.
WE WANT TO MOVE ON NOW.
LET’S SEND THINGS TO NBC 10
POLITICAL REPORTER ALISON KING.
ALISON.
>> THANK YOU, LATOYIA.
NEXT QUESTION IS FOR GEOFF
DIEHL.
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS TO RESPOND.
MR. DIEHL, DOZENS OF VIEWERS
WROTE TO US ABOUT THIS.
YOU HAVE SAID THAT THE 2020
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS,
QUOTE, RIGGED AND THAT, QUOTE,
IT DEFINITELY WAS AN ELECTION
THAT WAS STOLEN FROM DONALD
TRUMP.
A YEAR AGO YOU CALLED ON
GOVERNOR BAKER TO CONDUCT A
FORENSIC AUDIT TO INVESTIGATE,
QUOTE, POSSIBLE IRREGULARITIES
IN THAT ELECTION.
DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT DONALD
TRUMP WON THE 2020 ELECTION?
>> ALISON, OBVIOUSLY JOE BIDEN
WON THE ELECTION.
LOOK AT HOW BAD THE ECONOMY IS
RIGHT NOW.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I’VE
HAD CONCERNS WITH THE ELECTION
NATIONALLY.
FIVE STATES HAD ISSUES WITH
MAIL-IN BALLOTING.
IN FACT, RIGHT HERE IN
MASSACHUSETTS WE SAW THAT 11,000
PEOPLE ATTEMPTED TO DO MAIL-IN
BALLOTING AND VOTE IN PERSON AT
THE SAME TIME.
I FELT LIKE THERE WAS THE
POTENTIAL FOR ELECTION FRAUD.
WHAT WE’RE ALSO OPENING
OURSELVES UP TO IS MAJOR
ELECTION FRAUD ISSUES IF WE
ALLOW DRIVER’S LICENSES FOR
PEOPLE HERE ILLEGALLY.
BECAUSE AS EVEN CHARLIE BAKER
SAID WHEN HE VETOED THAT
LEGISLATION, IF PEOPLE ARE
ALLOWED TO GET A DRIVER’S
LICENSE, THE 2020 MOTOR VOTER
LAW REGISTERS THEM AUTOMATICALLY
TO VOTE.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD
CAUSE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH OUR
ELECTIONS FOR THE FUTURE.
THAT’S SOMETHING WE NEED TO
BLOCK.
>> TO BE CLEAR YOU THINK JOE
BIDEN IS THE LEGITIMATE
PRESIDENT.
GIVEN THE DIVISIVENESS OF THAT
IN YOUR LEADERSHIP ROLE IN
MASSACHUSETTS, HAVE YOU DONE
ANYTHING TO CORRECT THE RECORD
AMONG YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES
WHO FEEL OTHERWISE?
>> LOOK, I THINK EVERYBODY
UNDERSTANDS THE STAKES OF WHAT
JOE BIDEN’S PRESIDENCY IS.
THEY UNDERSTAND HE IS IN AND
OBVIOUSLY I THINK PEOPLE ARE NOW
FOCUSED ON 2024 AND MAKING SURE
THAT WE CORRECT THE MISTAKE OF
HAVING A PRESIDENT THAT CLEARLY
LOST CONTROL OF THE ECONOMY,
LOST CONTROL OF FOREIGN POLICY,
AND, YOU KNOW, I’M LOOKING
FORWARD TO SEEING WHO IS AND
WILL MAYBE SUPPORT THAT
CANDIDATE FROM THE REPUBLICAN
SIDE.
>> AND JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW-UP.
AS A FORMER CAMPAIGN CO-CHAIR
FOR DONALD TRUMP, OBVIOUSLY YOU
ARE A STRONG SUPPORTER.
HAVE YOU LEARNED ANYTHING ABOUT
THE FORMER PRESIDENT REGARDING
CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, JANUARY
6th HEARINGS OR ANYTHING THAT
HAVE CAUSED YOU THIS PAST YEAR
TO QUESTION YOUR SUPPORT?
>> YOU KNOW, I’M GLAD YOU
MENTIONED JANUARY 6th.
THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING
THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED,
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE’S A LOT OF
FOCUS ON THAT.
VERY LITTLE FOCUS FROM THE MEDIA
ON WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020 WITH
THE RIOTS ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES, OKAY, WHEN THERE WERE
CITIES BURNING, PORTLAND,
MINNEAPOLIS, EVEN IN BOSTON ON
TREMONT STREET YOU HAD A POLICE
CRUISER ON FIRE.
NINE OFFICERS WENT TO THE
HOSPITAL AFTER BEING SHOT AT AND
MY OPPONENT WAS ASKING THE
GREATER BOSTON CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEETING WHAT SHE
THOUGHT WAS GOING ON
.
>>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH THE
VOTERS.
MY OPPONENT, I HOPE YOU VOTE FOR
ME BUT LET’S BE CLEAR ABOUT WHO
WE ARE.
MY OPPONENT HAS SAID RECENTLY HE
BACKS DONALD TRUMP 100% OF THE
TIME.
HE HAS SAID HE WANTS DONALD
TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT IN 2024.
HE CHAIRED HIS PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN.
HE CONTINUES TO PLAY FROM THE
TRUMP PLAYBOOK AND WANTS TO
BRING TRUMPISM TO MASSACHUSETTS.
I WILL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT
THIS, GEOFF, BECAUSE THOSE ARE
VALUES, THOSE ARE PRINCIPLES,
THOSE ARE WAYS THAT WE HAVE
REJECTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR WITH
THE VOTERS ABOUT WHAT IS ON THE
LINE AND HOW HIGH STAKES THIS
ELECTION IS.
THAT’S WHAT I THINK PEOPLE NEED
TO UNDERSTAND AND WHY -- WHY I’M
ADDRESSING IT HEAD ON.
I UNDERSTAND MY OPPONENT DOESN’T
WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> THANK YOU.
THIS NEXT QUESTION IS FOR YOU.
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS.
YOUR OFFICE SUED THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION ALMOST 100 TIMES.
CRITICS SAY YOU WERE
POLITICIZING THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL’S OFFICE AND WASTING
TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR PARTISAN
ATTACKS.
WHAT DO MASSACHUSETTS RESIDENTS
HAVE TO SHOW FOR ALL OF THAT
TIME AND MONEY DIVERTED TO
FIGHTING DONALD TRUMP?
>> WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT.
YOU HAVE HEALTH CARE TO BEGIN
WITH.
YOU HAVE IMPORTANT ENVIRONMENTAL
REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT ARE
GOING TO HELP US DEAL WITH THE
CLIMATE CRISIS THAT WE FACE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALL OF THOSE
SUITS DIDN’T COST THE TAXPAYERS
OF MASSACHUSETTS A DIME, AND
ALSO WERE VERY IMPORTANT IN
PROTECTING WORKERS, PROTECTING
CONSUMERS, PROTECTING YOUNG
PEOPLE, PROTECTING DREAMERS.
I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON.
THAT’S WHY SO MANY TIME WITH THE
SUITS I WAS JOINED WITH OUR
PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES, I WAS
JOINED WITH SOME OF OUR
BUSINESSES BECAUSE IT WAS A
MATTER OF STANDING UP FOR AND
PROTECTING THE PEOPLE OF
MASSACHUSETTS.
DONALD TRUMP EVEN WANTED TO
CHANGE THE CENSUS AND NOT
ACTUALLY COUNT OUR POPULATION.
AGAIN, MY OPPONENT’S CHIEF
BENEFACTOR AND SUPPORTER DONALD
TRUMP DID NOT WANT TO COUNT
MASSACHUSETTS RESIDENTS WHICH IS
A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES
TO REPRESENTATION IN GOVERNMENT.
>> THANK YOU, MS. HEALEY.
>> AND ALSO THE FLOW OF FEDERAL
DOLLARS.
>> THANK YOU.
MR. DIEHL, DO YOU HAVE A
REBUTTAL?
>> YOU KNOW, WHILE SHE WAS
SPENDING TIME DOING THOSE
PROSECUTIONS SHE SPENT ZERO TIME
PROSECUTING POLITICAL CORRUPTION
HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS.
YOU DID NOTHING, YOU KICKED IT
OVER TO THE FEDERAL OFFICERS TO
TRY TO HANDLE THAT SITUATION.
I DON’T KNOW WHY YOU ARE
UNWILLING TO TAKE ON POLITICAL
CORRUPTION IN YOUR OWN PARTY IN
MASSACHUSETTS, WHILE YOU ARE
WASTING TIME AND ENERGY ON
FEDERAL POLICY.
>> DO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW-UP TO
THAT, RESPONSE?
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF RESPONSES
TO A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE
UNTRUE, BUT I WILL SAY THIS.
YOU KNOW, I’M REALLY PROUD OF MY
RECORD.
AS I SAID EARLIER, ALISON, OVER
THE LAST EIGHT YEARS MY OFFICE
HAS BROUGHT INVESTIGATIONS, HAS
BROUGHT LAWSUITS.
YEP, SOMETIMES WE HAD TO SUE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
IN THE COURSE OF DOING SO WE
BROUGHT BACK TO THE
COMMONWEALTH, WE SAVED THE
COMMONWEALTH OR RECOVERED FOR
THIS STATE $7 BILLION.
MY ANNUAL BUDGET IS ABOUT $60
MILLION A YEAR.
I THINK THAT’S BEEN A PRETTY
GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT, AND I
THINK IT SHOWS WHY I AM THE
CANDIDATE POSITIONED TO LEAD NOW
IN THIS TIME GOING FORWARD.
FRANKLY, MY OPPONENT’S VIEWS ON
SO MUCH FROM TAKING AWAY HEALTH
CARE, FROM TAKING AWAY THE
MINIMUM WAGE, FROM TAKING AWAY
ABORTION FRANKLY MAKE HIM
EXTREME, DANGEROUS AND I BELIEVE
DISQUALIFIED TO SERVE AS OUR
NEXT GOVERNOR.
>> MS. HEALEY, THANK YOU.
CANDIDATES, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ALISON, APPRECIATE THOSE
QUESTIONS.
WE NOW WANT TO BRING IN
TELEMUNDO NEWS ANCHOR GRACE
GOMEZ.
GRACE.
>> THANK YOU, LATOYIA.
GOOD EVENING TO BOTH CANDIDATES.
MR. DIEHL, THIS QUESTION IS FOR
YOU.
THIS YEAR A LAW WAS PASSED
ALLOWING UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS
TO GET A DRIVER’S LICENSE.
IN NOVEMBER VOTERS WILL DECIDE
IN A BALLOT QUESTION WHETHER TO
REPEAL THE NEW LAW.
POLICE CHIEFS IN THE STATE’S
LARGEST 41 COMMUNITIES SUPPORT
THIS.
YOU’RE WORKING TO OVERTURN IT.
WHY?
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS.
>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN
IMMIGRATION CRISIS AT OUR
SOUTHERN BORDER.
WE HAVE SEEING PEOPLE POUR INTO
THE COUNTRY AND MASSACHUSETTS IS
A STATE WITH CITIES WITH
SANCTUARY POLICIES, MEANING IF
YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY AND
COMMITTING CRIMES, THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, THE FEDERAL I.C.E.
AGENTS CAN’T WORK IN THE CITIES
TO TRY TO GET RID OF THE
DANGEROUS PEOPLE PREYING ON
IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES.
SO WHEN YOU ADD DRIVER’S
LICENSES TO PEOPLE HERE
ILLEGALLY, YOU ARE NOW
INCENTIVIZING ADDITIONALLY
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BROKEN THE LAW
AND NOW WILL COME TO
MASSACHUSETTS THINKING THEY CAN
JUST GET THAT WITH NO PROBLEM.
HERE IS THE THING.
THERE IS A PATHWAY CURRENTLY FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ON WORK
VISAS, IF THEY’RE HERE ON AN H1V
VISA, IF THEY’RE EVEN A REFUGEE,
THEY HAVE THE PATHWAY TO GET A
DRIVER’S LICENSE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO
SPECIFICALLY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO
TRY TO BECOME A CITIZEN.
LET ME TELL YOU I ACTUALLY WANT
IMMIGRATION TO BE SPED UP.
I FILED A BILL IN THE
LEGISLATURE TO TRY TO IMPROVE
HOW MASSACHUSETTS AND THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN HELP
PEOPLE BECOME CITIZENS SOONER.
>> THANK YOU, MR. DIEHL.
MS. HEALEY, DO YOU HAVE A
REBUTTAL?
>> IT IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC
SAFETY, GRACE.
AS YOU SAID, THERE’S A REASON
POLICE CHIEFS AROUND THE STATE
SUPPORT THIS, AS I DO, BECAUSE
AS A FUNDAMENTAL MATTER YOU WANT
TO KNOW WHO IS ACTUALLY DRIVING
ON OUR ROADS.
YOU WANT TO KNOW THEY’VE
RECEIVED INSTRUCTION AND
TRAINING THROUGH A DRIVER’S ED
PROGRAM, AND, IMPORTANTLY, YOU
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY’RE
INSURED.
YOU KNOW, MANY OTHER STATES, 17
OTHER STATES ALREADY DO THIS.
MOST OF THE NEW ENGLAND STATES
DO THIS.
STATES LIKE UTAH AND VIRGINIA DO
THIS.
I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED
TO DO AS A MATTER OF SAFETY HERE
IN MASSACHUSETTS.
>> IF I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT?
GOVERNOR BAKER VETOED ONE OF
THESE.
ONE IS THE RMV IS NOT SET UP TO
HANDLE SENSITIVE
OUTSIDE-OF-THE-COUNTRY DOCUMENTS
AND, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE
ENROLLMENT FOR ELECTIONS.
THEY BECOME ENROLLED TO VOTE IN
FUTURE ELECTIONS.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS THERE IS
NO REQUIREMENT FOR INSURANCE
WHEN YOU GET A DRIVER’S LICENSE.
MY DAUGHTER GOT A DRIVER’S
LICENSE.
SHE DIDN’T HAVE TO PROVE
INSURANCE.
WHEN YOU BUY A CAR YOU HAVE TO
PROVE INSURANCE.
IT DOESN’T MAKE THE ROADS SAFER
LIKE THAT.
>> I WANTED TO QUICKLY FOLLOW UP
ON WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT VOTING
BECAUSE NEW YORK AND CONNECTICUT
HAVE PROTOCOLS IN PLACE TO CHECK
BEFORE ISSUING A LICENSE.
IF A DRIVER’S LICENSE IS ISSUED,
IT WOULD BE SOLELY FOR THAT
PURPOSE, NOT FOR VOTING.
>> SURE, BUT THE LEGISLATURE
DIDN’T WANT TO WORK ON
SOLUTIONS.
HE TRIED TO SEE IF THERE WERE
ALTERNATE THINGS THAT COULD BE
USED AND THEY WERE RELUCTANT TO
DO THAT.
THAT’S WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO
HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE MYSELF TO SAY
TO A LIBERAL-LEANING
LEGISLATURE, THIS IS TOO FAR.
>> THANK YOU, MR. DIEHL.
>> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
HAVE HONESTY IN GOVERNMENT.
WHAT MY CLIENT IS NOT TRUE.
NO ONE WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY
ENROLLED AS A VOTER IN OUR
STATE.
MY OPPONENTS POINT MASSACHUSETTS
SOMEHOW DOESN’T HAVE IT TOGETHER
ENOUGH WHEN 17 OTHER STATES DO
TO MAKE THIS WORK.
LOOK, MY MONEY IS ON
MASSACHUSETTS.
I BELIEVE MASSACHUSETTS CAN DO
THIS.
AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY A MATTER
OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
>> WE WILL STAY WITH YOU,
MS. HEALEY, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING
TO TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU, IN
SEPTEMBER WHEN 50 MIGRANTS WERE
UNEXPECTEDLY FLOWN TO MARTHA’S
VINEYARD THE STATE MOBILIZED
MULTIPLE RESOURCES TO PROVIDE
SOCIAL SERVICES TO THEM.
THAT INCIDENT REIGNITED THE
CONTROVERSY OVER WHETHER
MASSACHUSETTS SHOULD BE A
SANCTUARY STATE.
MS. HEALEY, SHOULD MASSACHUSETTS
OFFICIALLY BECOME A SANCTUARY
STATE?
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS.
>> I KNOW THAT TERM HAS
DIFFERENT MEANINGS TO DIFFERENT
PEOPLE.
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I BELIEVE.
FIRST OF ALL, I WAS SO MOVED BY
THE RESPONSE OF THE PEOPLE OF
MASSACHUSETTS, THE PEOPLE ON
MARTHA’S VINEYARD, THE PEOPLE
WHO WENT TO MARTHA’S VINEYARD TO
ASSIST.
I WAS REALLY HEARTENED BY THE
BAKER ADMINISTRATION AND HOW
THEY RESPONDED, AND I’M PROUD OF
OUR STATE, HOW WE RESPONDED IN
THAT MOMENT.
LOOK, THIS WAS A POLITICAL STUNT
BY A PERSON WHO IS WILLING TO
EXPLOIT HUMAN BEINGS FOR SOME
PERCEIVED POLITICAL GAIN.
BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON
IMMIGRATION IS WE NEED NATIONAL
IMMIGRATION REFORM.
TOO MANY MEMBERS OF HIS PARTY
HAVE BLOCKED IT BUT WE NEED IT
FOR OUR EMPLOYERS, FOR OUR
WORKFORCE.
IT WILL SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
>> THANK YOU, MS. HEALEY.
MR. DIEHL, YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL?
>> YEAH, AGAIN, THE CRISIS WE
HAVE AT THE BORDER IS A
HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, AND WHAT
HAPPENED WITH FLYING PEOPLE TO
MARTHA’S VINEYARD IS JUST AN
OUTCRY OF THE PROBLEMS THAT
STATES ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW
TRYING TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE
COMING INTO THEIR STATE AND
NOT -- STATES NOT BEING ABLE TO
ACTUALLY AFFORD IT.
EVEN IN CHICAGO MAYOR LORI
LIGHTFOOT TOOK IMMIGRANTS IN
CHICAGO AND PUSHED THEM INTO
WEALTHIER SUBURBS TO MAKE A
INTEREST POSITIVE.
I AGREE, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE
PEOPLE USED AS PAWNS IN THIS
PROCESS BUT WE HAVE TO SOLVE THE
IMMIGRATION CRISIS AND GET A
HOLD OF IT.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS PATCHWORK AND
BAND-AID.
>> MR. DIEHL, THAT’S TIME.
GRACE, THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTIONS.
WE WILL PAUSE RIGHT THERE, TAKE
A QUICK BREAK.
STICK AROUND BECAUSE CLEARLY WE
ARE JUST GETTING STARTED.
>>> LET’S TAKE A LIVE LOOK FROM
THE GREEN ROOM WHERE WE HAVE SUE
O’CONNELL STANDING BY FOR THE
POST-DEBATE SHOW THAT WILL BE
STREAMED LIVE ON OUR WEBSITE AND
ORE SISTER STATION, NECN.
CORY WILL JOIN HER.
WE ARE BACK WITH "GOVERNOR’S
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>>> WELCOME BACK TO NBC 10
BOSTON "GOVERNOR’S RACE: THE
FIRST DEBATE."
OUR VIEWERS HAVE SENT IN NEARLY
200 QUESTIONS FOR TONIGHT’S
DEBATE AND MANY SAID THAT OUR
COUNTRY IS DIVIDED, ESPECIALLY
WHEN IT COMES TO OVERTURNING
ROE V. WADE.
MR. DIEHL, THIS QUESTION IS FOR
YOU.
DESPITE BEING ANTI-ABORTION, YOU
ARE ON THE RECORD SAYING YOU
WILL PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS IN
MASSACHUSETTS, BUT WHERE DO YOU
STAND ON A FEDERAL ABORTION BAN
WHICH MANY REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS
ARE ACTIVELY PROMOTING?
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT THE SUPREME
COURT OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE
WITH THE DOBBS DECISION BECAUSE
I FELT AS RUTH BADER GINSBERG
FELT THAT ABORTION SHOULD BE A
STATE’S ISSUE.
THE LAW WE HAVE NOW, THE ROE
ACT, WHICH WAS PUT IN PLACE TO
PRECEDE ANY POTENTIAL DOBBS
POSITION ULTIMATELY PROTECTS
WOMEN’S CHOICES FOR HEALTH CARE
INCLUDING ABORTION.
IT PASSED OVER GOVERNOR BAKER’S
TWO OBJECTIONS, ONE ABOUT
PARENTAL CONSENT FOR OVER 16.
I HAVE A DAUGHTER, I UNDERSTAND.
THE OTHER PART WAS BABIES NOT
ALLOWED TO GET MEDICAL ATTENTION
IF HE SURVIVED A FAILED
ABORTION.
HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH REMOVAL OF
SEB SHON 112.12P.
THAT WAS A CONCERN BY ME.
HOWEVER, MY JOB AS GOVERNOR IS
TO PROTECT PEOPLE’S HEALTH CARE
CHOICES.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER.
MS. HEALEY, A 30-SECOND
REBUTTAL?
>> RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY
POLITICIANS ARE PUSHING FOR A
NATIONAL ABORTION BAN.
THE SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED
ROE.
MY OPPONENT CELEBRATED WHEN THE
SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED ROE.
HE WANTS TO DEFUND PLANNED
PARENTHOOD.
HE WANTS TO JAIL DOCTORS WHO
PROVIDE ABORTION CARE.
THAT’S A DIFFERENCE IN THIS
RACE.
IF THAT TIME AND GIVEN THE
NATIONAL CONTEXT, MASSACHUSETTS
NEEDS A GOVERNOR WHO WILL
PROTECT A WOMAN’S FREEDOM TO
MAKE DECISIONS FOR HERSELF.
IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
I WILL.
HE WON’T.
>> MS. HEALEY --
>> DO I GET A REBUTTAL?
>> 15 SECONDS.
>> SO WE’RE CLEAR AGAIN, MY
BODY, MY CHOICE IN MASSACHUSETTS
ALSO IN MY OPINION JOIN STANDS
FOR VACCINE MANDATES.
YOU NEVER STOOD UP FOR PEOPLE
FIRED BECAUSE THEY WERE FORCED
TO GET A VACCINE IF THEY
DEVELOPED NATURAL IMMUNITY OR
HAD UNDERLYING HEALTH CARE
CONDITIONS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
LOST JOBS.
POLICE OFFICERS WILL NEVER GO
BACK TO WORK BECAUSE THEY WERE
DISBARRED.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT IS SHAMEFUL?
ALL OF THE TALK ABOUT FREEDOM
EXCEPT WHEN APPLIED TO WOMEN.
>> WE WANT TO STAY WITH THIS
TOPIC.
MS. HEALEY, WE KNOW YOU ARE IN
FAVOR OF STRENGTHENING RIGHTS
WHEN IT COMES TO REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHT BUT ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF
OUT OF STATERS USING TAXPAYER
MONEY WHEN IT IS ILLEGAL IN
THEIR HOME STATES?
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS?
>> WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE
CAN TO PROTECT PATIENTS AND
PROVIDERS IN THIS TIME.
THAT’S WHAT I SOUGHT TO DO.
RATHER THAN CELEBRATING ROE’S
OVERTURNING WHICH IS WHAT MY
OPPONENT DID, I WENT TO WORK.
I WENT TO WORK WITH THE
LEGISLATURE.
I WENT TO WORK WITH GOVERNOR
BAKER AND WE HAVE NOW A REALLY
IMPORTANT LAW IN PLACE THAT’S
GOING TO PROVIDE THOSE
PROTECTIONS FOR PATIENTS AND
PROVIDERS.
WE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE,
LATOYIA, WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE
STARTING TO COME IN FROM OTHER
STATES WHO RIGHT NOW TONIGHT AS
WE SPEAK, THEY MAY BE SURVIVORS
OF RAPE, SURVIVORS OF INCEST.
THEY’RE NOT ABLE TO ACCESS
ABORTIONS IN THEIR STATES, AND
WE AS A STATE NEED TO BE
PREPARED FOR THAT.
AS GOVERNOR I WILL WORK WITH OUR
PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS AND I
WILL WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE DOING JUST THAT.
>> MS. HEALEY, YOUR TIME.
MR. DIEHL, YOU HAVE A 30-SECOND
REBUTTAL.
>> SURE, SHE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT
CRIMINALIZING ABORTIONS.
ACTUALLY, WHAT I WANTED TO DO
WAS PROTECT THOSE INNOCENT LIVES
BORN FROM A FAILED ABORTION TO
GET MEDICAL ATTENTION.
WHAT REMOVAL OF 12 -- 12P OF
SECTION 112 DOES IS IT MAKES IT
SO DOCTORS DON’T HAVE TO DO
THAT.
THAT’S INFANTICIDE IN MY OPINION
AND THAT TO ME IS CRIMINAL.
BUT, AGAIN, THE LEGISLATURE OVERRODE THAT.
MY JOB AS KBOFR ISGOVERNOR IS TO
WOMEN’S MELT
WOMEN’S HEALTH CARE CHOICES AND
THAT’S WHAT I DO.
>> MS. HEELIE.
>> MY MOM GOES TO MASS EVERY
MORNING, SHE IS A TEACHER AND
EDUCATOR.
I FIND THAT RHETORIC INSULTING.
IT IS FROM THE PLAYBOOK OF THE
ANTI-CHOICE MOVEMENT AND IT IS
INSULTING TO ANY WOMAN WHO HAD
TO FACE AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT
HEALTH DECISION WHEN IT COMES TO
A PREGNANCY.
>> THANK YOU.
MR. DIEHL, FINAL WORD ON THIS?
>> YOU KNOW, WHEN MY PARENTS
WERE MARRIED -- I’M SORRY, WHEN
I WAS BORN MY PARENTS WEREN’T
MARRIED AND THEY MADE A CHOICE
AT THE TIME.
ROE V. WADE WAS NOT THE LAW AND
SO THEY HAD ME.
SO THAT SHAPES MY VIEW ON
ABORTION, OF COURSE.
BUT, AGAIN, MY PERSONAL VIEW ON
ABORTION IS NOT WHAT I DO AS
GOVERNOR.
MY JOB IS TO WORK WITHIN THE
BOUNDARIES OF THE LEGISLATURE
AND THE LAWS THAT THEY’VE SET.
SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO SET YOUR
OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS ASIDE FOR
THE GOOD OF THE STATE.
>> MR. DIEHL, MS. HEALEY, THANK
YOU BOTH FOR YOUR OPINIONS ON
THIS ISSUE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT
THE OPIOID CRISIS AS WELL.
WE HAVE TO GET TO THAT.
GRACE, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR
BOTH CANDIDATES?
>> YEAH, LATOYIA.
LAST YEAR WE LOST MORE THAN
2,200 PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE TO
OVERDOSE DEATHS MAKING IT THE
DEADLIEST YEAR ON RECORD.
MS. DEALEY,HEALEY, WE WILL START
YOU.
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO ATTACK THE
OPIOID CRISIS?
>> WELL, AS YOU KNOW, I COME TO
THIS WITH SO MANY STORIES FROM
PEOPLE AROUND THIS COMMONWEALTH.
I THINK OF MY FRIEND CORY WHO I
MET WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED IN
TAUNTON.
LIKE ME HE WAS A HIGH SCHOOL
ATHLETE, GOT INJURED, GOT
ADDICTED TO OPIOIDS, OVERDOSED,
SUFFERED A SERIOUS BRAIN INJURY.
I THINK ABOUT MY FRIEND CHERYL
WHO HAS LOST TWO SONS TO THE
OPIOID EPIDEMIC.
HERE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN
RESOURCES FOR SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDER AND MENTAL HEALTH.
WE NEED TO INVEST IN HOUSING,
NOT JUST SHORT-TERM HOUSING FOR
DETOX BUT LONG-TERM HOUSING.
THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT
LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL TO CRACK
DOWN ON THE TRAFFICKING,
PARTICULARLY OF FENTANYL AND
OTHER SYNTHETICS.
I’M PROUD I WAS THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL WHO SUED PURDUE, WHO
SUED THE SACKLERS.
MY OFFICE RECOVERED OVER HALF A
BILLION DOLLARS BY GOING AFTER
OPIOID MANUFACTURERS, ALL OF
WHICH IS BEING PUT TOWARDS
PREVENTION, RECOVERY, EDUCATION
AND HARM REDUCTION.
I WILL CONTINUE -- I WILL
CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS GOVERNOR
BECAUSE THOSE STORIES OF THOSE
FAMILIES DRIVE ME EVERY DAY.
>> THANK YOU, MS. HEALEY.
MR. DIEHL, THE SAME QUESTION FOR
YOU.
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO ATTACK THE
OPIOID CRISIS?
YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS.
>> YEAH.
LAST YEAR WE LOST THE MOST
PEOPLE IN MASSACHUSETTS TO
OPIOID OVERDOSES IN THE HISTORY
OF OUR STATE.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT ON DAY ONE
I WANT TO TACKLE RIGHT AWAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED
TO DO, I BELIEVE, IS PUSH
EXPANDED MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES
OUT INTO THE SUBURBS.
I WAS MEETING WITH THE MAYOR OF
LAWRENCE A FEW MONTHS BACK,
TALKING ABOUT DAY BREAK SHELTER
WHICH IS A SHELTER FOR HOMELESS
PEOPLE IN LAWRENCE AND TALKING
ABOUT THE FACT HE SAID, I’M
WILLING TO HELP DAY BREAK BUT WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE SUBURBAN TOWNS
OWN THE OPIOID ADDICTION AS
WELL.
DOWN WHERE I LIVE A GROUP CALLED
EB HOPE WAS ONE OF THE PIONEERS
IN MAKING SURE WE HAVE DROP-IN
CENTERS WITH HEALTH CARE
PROFESSIONALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT,
RELIGIOUS LEADERS, COMMUNITY
LEADERS, TO MAKE SURE WE GAVE
PEOPLE THE RESOURCES THEY NEEDED
AND THIS WAS ABOUT TEN YEARS
AGO, WHEN FINALLY THE STIGMA WAS
ABLE TO WEAR OFF AND WE WERE
ABLE TO TALK ABOUT OPIOID
ADDICTION.
WE NEED TO EXPAND THE MENTAL
HEALTH SERVICES INTO THE SUBURBS
AND MAKE SURE THEY OWN IT, NOT
JUST CENTRALIZE IT IN AREAS LIKE
WORCESTER.
THAT’S WHERE YOU SEE THE
HOMELESS ON THE STREETS OF BIG
CITIES.
>> THAT’S TIME, MR. DIEHL.
>> I’M SORRY.
JUST AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE PEOPLE
GET THE HELP THEY NEED CLOSER TO
THEIR FAMILIES, CLOSER TO THEIR
WORK AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU BOTH, CANDIDATES.
LET’S TALK EDUCATION.
RECENT MCAST RESULTS SHOW AFTER
TWO YEARS OF COVID ALL STUDENTS
STRUGGLE IT, BUT AMONG LOW
INCOME ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE
SCHOOLERS 80% ARE NOT MEETING
GRADE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS,
ESPECIALLY IN MATH.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO
ENSURE ALL CHILDREN GET CAUGHT
UP, MS. HEALEY?
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS.
>> EDUCATION IS FOUNDATIONAL.
MASSACHUSETTS IS HOME TO THE
FIRST PUBLIC SCHOOL IN THE
COUNTRY AND WE NEED TO DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT OUR
YOUNG PEOPLE WHO, FRANKLY, HAVE
EXPERIENCED TREMENDOUS LOSS
DURING COVID.
WE DO SEE THE GAPS.
WE SEE THE GAPS IN MATH SKILLS,
IN READING SKILLS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
THERE AS A STATE, AS A
COMMONWEALTH DOING EVERYTHING WE
CAN TO SUPPORT STUDENTS AND
THEIR FAMILIES.
FULLY FUND THE STUDENT
OPPORTUNITY ACT.
MODERNIZE OUR SCHOOLS.
MAKE SURE AS WELL THAT WE ARE
PROVIDING WRAP-AROUND SERVICES
IN OUR SCHOOLS, PARTICULARLY FOR
MENTAL HEALTH.
THE NUMBER OF YOUNG PEOPLE
EXPERIENCING INCREASED ANXIETY
AND DEPRESSION, WE NEED TO
ADDRESS THAT AS A STATE.
AS GOVERNOR I WILL DO THAT AND
THOSE THINGS.
>> MS. HEALEY, THANK YOU.
MR. DIEHL, YOU HAVE A 30-SECOND
REBUTTAL.
>> OKAY.
LOOK, FIRST OF ALL THAT’S A LOT
TO WRAP IN EDUCATION IN 30
SECONDS BUT I WILL TRY TO SAY
THIS.
YES, THE SCORES ARE DOWN.
RIGHT NOW I THINK A LOT OF
PARENTS ARE UPSET ABOUT SOME OF
THE CURRICULUM THEY’RE PRESENTED
WITH KIDS AT EARLY AGES, FIRST,
SECOND, THIRD GRADE.
MY DAUGHTER HAD TO WATCH A VIDEO
CALLED "IMPLICIT BIAS" THAT SAID
IN ORDER TO PLAY A SPORT LAST
YEAR SHE HAD TO RECOGNIZE SHE
HAS THE ADVANTAGE ON THE
ATHLETIC FIELD AND IN THE
CLASSROOM SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE IS
WHITE.
I THINK IT DOES A DISSERVICE TO
HER AND MINORITY GROUPS THAT ARE
TOLD YOU WILL NOT BE COMPETITIVE
BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE WHITE.
THAT’S WRONG.
PARENTS ARE ANGRY ABOUT IT AND
LEAVING OUR STATE SCHOOLS
BECAUSE OF IT.
WE ARE SEEING A DOUBLE-DIGIT
ENROLLMENT IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS
AND DOUBLING OF HOME SCHOOLING.
I WANT TO GIVE PARENTS THAT
CHOICE TO BE ABLE TO SEND THEIR
KIDS WHERE THEY THINK THEY
SHOULD GO AND NOT GET
INDOCTRINATED IN OUR SCHOOLS BUT
GET EDUCATED ON WHAT THEY NEED.
>> JUST TO FOLLOW UP, HOW DOES
IT DO A DISSERVICE TO HER BY
WATCHING THAT VIDEO?
>> BASICALLY SHE IS TOLD NO
MATTER WHAT EFFORT YOU MAKE, IT
DOESN’T MATTER BECAUSE YOU WILL
SUCCEED BECAUSE YOU ARE WHITE.
WE NEED TO GET RID OF RACISM IN
OUR HOUSEHOLDS AND CLASSES.
IT SAYS NO MATTER WHAT SHE
BENEFITS FROM HER RACE.
>> SCHOOLS ARE STRUGGLING TO
FILL TEACHERS AND BUS DRIVERS.
WHAT ACTIONS WILL YOUR
ADMINISTRATION MAKE TO RECRUIT
AND RETAIN ALL STAFF.
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS.
>> I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE
MANDATES PUT IN PLACE WHERE A
LOT OF PEOPLE WERE FORCED OUT OF
THEIR JOBS IF THEY DIDN’T GET
VACCINES.
I THINK WE’RE SEEING PROBLEMS
RECRUITING FOR THAT.
SCHOOL BUSSES, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE
NATIONAL GUARD DRIVING SCHOOL
BUSSES IN MASSACHUSETTS BECAUSE
WE CAN’T GET ENOUGH PEOPLE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU
KNOW, AGAIN PEOPLE AREN’T FORCED
TO GET A HEALTH CARE TREATMENT
WE HAVE SEEN NOW AFTER
VACCINATIONS AND BOOSTERS IT
STILL DOESN’T PROTECT THE WAY
PEOPLE WERE PROMISED.
ON TOP OF THAT WE NEED TO MAKE
SURE AGAIN THAT SCHOOLS ARE
FULLY FUNDED AND MAKE SURE THAT
THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR THE
BUSSING, THE REGIONAL BUSSING WE
HAVE TO DO TO PROVIDE KIDS
TRANSPORTATION TO AND FROM
SCHOOLS.
OBVIOUSLY AS GOVERNOR I WILL
MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN ECONOMY
THAT CAN SUPPORT THAT.
>> MR. DIEHL, THAT’S YOUR TIME.
MS. HEALEY, YOU HAVE A 30-SECOND
REBUTTAL.
>> I MENTIONED EARLIER MY MOM, A
SCHOOL NURSE, HEALTH ED
INDICATOR.
MY STEPDAD, A HIGH SCHOOL
HISTORY TEACHER AND COACH, ALL
FIVE OF US WENT TO PUBLIC
SCHOOL.
I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR THE ROLE
THAT MY PARENTS PLAYED IN MY
LIFE.
I WOULDN’T BE HERE TODAY WERE IT
NOT FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, FOR SOME KIDS IN THIS
STATE THEY DON’T HAVE THE
SUPPORTIVE PARENTS, AND I WILL
BE A GOVERNOR WHO LOOKS OUT FOR
THEM.
I WILL BE A GOVERNOR WHO LOOKS
OUT AND ADDRESSES THOSE
DISPARITIES THAT EXIST.
EVERY CHILD IN THIS STATE,
REGARDLESS OF THEIR RACE, THEIR
ETHNICITY, THEIR ZIP CODE SHOULD
HAVE ACCESS TO A HIGH-QUALITY
EDUCATION.
I’M GOING TO DO JUST THAT AS
GOVERNOR.
>> MS. HEALEY.
THAT’S YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR ANSWERS.
CANDLES, LET’S BRING IN NBC 10’S
CORY SMITH RIGHT NOW.
YOUR QUESTION FOR THE
CANDIDATES?
>> THANK YOU, LATOYIA.
WE WILL STICK WITH EDUCATION.
MR. DIEHL, I WILL START WITH
YOU.
THIS QUESTION IS FOR BOTH OF
YOU.
IN MASSACHUSETTS 91% OF TEACHERS
ARE WHITE.
THIS MEANS MOST STUDENTS OF
COLOR DO NOT HAVE SOMEONE AT THE
FRONT OF THE CLASSROOM WHO LOOKS
LIKE THEM.
IS THIS A PROBLEM AND WHAT WOULD
YOUR ADMINISTRATION DO TO
INCREASE DIVERSITY AT THE FRONT
OF THE CLASS?
YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS.
>> GREAT QUESTION.
AGAIN, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT
FOR KIDS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE
WITH WHO THEIR ED INDICATORS
ARE, AND IF HAVING THAT COMFORT
LEVEL BEING PEOPLE FROM YOUR
SAME COMMUNITY THAT’S GREAT.
IF WE CAN’T RECRUIT, WE HAVE TO
FIGURE OUT WAYS TO RECRUIT
PEOPLE TO COME IN.
AGAIN, WE ARE HAVING ISSUES TO
HIRE IN GENERAL, TO TRY TO MAKE
SURE WE HAVE TEACHERS THAT MATCH
THE ETHNIC BACKGROUND OF PEOPLE
IS HARD.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN,
WHEN SCHOOLS ARE LOOKING AT WHO
THEY’RE HIRING THEY ARE THINKING
ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
ON TOP OF THAT, MY PLAN FOR
SCHOOL CHOICE WOULD ALLOW
PARENTS AND KIDS TO LOOK BEYOND
THE PUBLIC SCHOOL THAT THEY’RE
IN AND SAY IF THERE’S A PRIVATE
SCHOOL THAT HAS A BETTER RATIO,
THEY CAN GO THERE.
IF THEY WANT TO BE HOME SCHOOLED
BY THEIR PARENTS, THAT’S FINE,
TOO.
YOU KNOW, IT IS A SOLUTION THAT
I THINK REALLY HELPS OUT
OVERALL.
IT CREATES THE FREE MARKET
PRINCIPLES FOR EDUCATION WHERE
THE BEST PRODUCT, THE BEST
SERVICE AND WHAT THE CONSUMERS
WANT, IN THIS CASE PARENTS AND
KIDS, WILL GET WHAT THEY WANT BY
HAVING THAT CHOICE OF HAVING THE
STATE TAX DOLLARS FOLLOW THE
KID.
>> MS. HEALEY, SAME QUESTION.
AGAIN, 91% OF TEACHERS ARE
WHITE.
IS THAT A PROBLEM IN THE BAY
STATE AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO
INCREASE DIVERSITY IN THE
CLASSROOM.
>> CORY, AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW
THIS, THE STUDIES SHOW FOR
STUDENTS OF COLOR THEY WILL
PERFORM BETTER IF THERE’S AN
EDUCATOR OF COLOR IN THEIR
CLASSROOM, IN THEIR SCHOOL.
AS YOU SAY, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT
WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, SO, YES,
WE NEED TO RECRUIT AND TRAIN
MORE EDUCATORS OF COLOR IN OUR
STATE FOR THE SAKE OF OUR
CHILDREN AND OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
MY OPPONENT’S EDUCATION PLAN, I
WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR WITH THE
VOTERS, HE WANTS TO BAN BOOKS.
HE WANTS TO REQUIRE THAT ANY
TIME A CHILD WANTS TO GO INTO A
PUBLIC LIBRARY, THEY HAVE TO GET
A PERMISSION SLIP.
WE’RE THE STATE THAT WAS HOME TO
THE FIRST PUBLIC LIBRARY IN THE
UNIT C
COUNTRY.
WE’VE BEEN ABOUT EDUCATION.
THAT’S NOT THE DIRECTION WE NEED
TO GO.
WE NEED SUPPORT FOR OUR
STUDENTS.
WE NEED TO SUPPORT THEM IN THE
CLASSROOM WITH THE A-B-Cs, THE
MATH, THE SCIENCE, THE
ENGINEERING.
ALSO MENTAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS,
AND THAT’S SOMETHING I’M GOING
TO FOCUS ON AS GOVERNOR.
BUT FOR THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO
NOT FUND PUBLIC EDUCATION, WHO
WANTS TO TAKE AWAY HEALTH CARE,
WHICH BY THE WAY IS MENTAL
HEALTH, I FIND IT REALLY RICH TO
LISTEN TO WHAT HE JUST SAID TO
YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MS. HEALEY.
30 SECONDS REBUTTAL.
>> NO, IT IS NOT ABOUT REMOVING
BOOKS FROM LIBRARIES OR BANNING
ANYTHING.
THIS IS ABOUT ALLOWING PARENTS
TO HAVE A SAY IN WHAT IS IN THE
SCHOOLS, WHETHER IT IS THE
CURRICULUM OR WHETHER IT IS
WHAT’S IN THE PUBLIC -- THE
SCHOOL LIBRARIES.
I THINK RIGHT NOW WE ARE SEEING
PARENTS THAT HAVE A CONCERN WITH
SOME OF THE MATERIALS THEIR KIDS
ARE BEING PRESENTED WITH AT AN
EARLY AGE.
SOME OF THOSE PARENTS TRIED TO
GO TO SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS AND
VOICE THEIR CONCERN AND SCHOOL
BOARDS IN SEVERAL CITIES AROUND
MASSACHUSETTS HAVE SHUT THEM
DOWN, KEPT THEM TO THE END OF
THE MEETING OR NOT LET THEM
SPEAK AT ALL.
MY PLAN IS TO LET PARENTS HAVE A
SAY IN THE CLICK LUMURRICULUM, S
ONLINE, SEE WHAT IS IN THE
LIBRARIES.
>> WE’RE GETTING TIGHT ON TIME.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET
EVERYTHING IN.
LET’S MOVE ON TO CLIMATE CHANGE
WITH POLITICAL REPORTER ALISON
KING.
>> A QUESTION FOR YOU,
MS. HEALEY.
YOU HAVE ENDORSED POLITICAL
LEADERS IN MASSACHUSETTS WHO ARE
CALLING FOR BOLD, STRUCTURAL
CHANGE WHEN IT COMES TO CLIMATE
CHANGE INCLUDING ALL ASPECTS OF
THE GREEN, NEW DEAL.
WOULD YOU DO THE SAME?
YOU HAVE 45 SECONDS.
>> LET ME TELL YOU, ALISON, WHAT
MY POSITION HAS BEEN.
CLIMATE POSES A REAL CHALLENGE.
IT ALSO CREATES A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR STATE.
I WANT TO CREATE A CLIMATE
CORRIDOR THAT STRETCHES THE
LENGTH OF THIS STATE, THE
BREADTH OF THIS STATE, THAT TIES
TOGETHER THE TECHNOLOGY, THE
INNOVATION, THE MANUFACTURING THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WHEN
IT COMES TO A CLEAN ENERGY
ECONOMY.
WE CAN CREATE THOUSANDS OF GREAT
JOBS IN DOING THAT AND ADDRESS
OUR CLIMATE NEEDS.
I’M SO INTENTIONAL ABOUT THIS
THAT I’M GOING TO PUT SOMEBODY
AT THE TOP THAT WILL MAKE SURE
WE ARE DRIVING A CLIMATE AGENDA
THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENTS OF
TRANSPORTATION AND ENERGY AND
HOUSING AND ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE AND
IT IS ALSO AN ECONOMIC WINDFALL
FOR US HERE IN THE STATE.
>> JUST QUICKLY, IS THERE
ANYTHING ABOUT THE GREEN, NEW
DEAL THAT GOES A BIT TOO FAR IN
YOUR OPINION?
>> YOU KNOW, I’M NOT FAMILIAR
WITH ALL ASPECTS OF THE GREEN,
NEW DEAL.
I WILL TELL YOU WHAT MY PLAN IS.
MY PLAN IS TO HAVE A DIVERSE
PORTFOLIO.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE IN THE
FIX WE ARE WITH ENERGY PRICES
RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE WE HAVE
BEEN HELD HOSTAGE BY BIG OIL AND
THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY.
WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY THAT HERE
IN THE STATE.
SOLAR, WIND, STORAGE AND THE
LIKE, I HAVE SUPPORTED MANY OF
THE MOVES OF THE BAKER
ADMINISTRATION AND OF THE
LEGISLATURE.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE ON THAT
PATH.
OUR ECONOMIC WELL-BEING AND,
FRANKLY, ALISON, OUR STATE’S
COMPETITIVENESS --
>> THANK YOU.
>> -- DETERMINES -- IS GOING TO
BE DEPENDENT ON THIS.
>> MR. DIEHL, YOU HAVE A
30-SECOND REBUTTAL.
>> AGAIN, I’M FOR RENEWABLE
ENERGY, BUT THE PACE AT WHICH
MAURA HEALEY WANTS TO DO THIS
WILL HURT OUR ECONOMY IN GENERAL
AND MAKE BUSINESSES LEAVE OUR
STATE.
YOU CANNOT PRODUCE ENOUGH
ELECTRICITY FROM RENEWABLE
SOURCES, BY THE WAY NOBODY HAS
TALKED ABOUT THE ECOLOGICAL
ISSUES WITH PUTTING TURBINES IN
OCEANS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE
SOIL WHEN THEY BREAK DOWN, SO
WE’RE RACING TOWARDS A SOLUTION
THAT WON’T BE ABLE TO PRODUCE
THE ENERGY WE NEED FOR
MASSACHUSETTS IN THE TIME FRAME
SHE WANTS.
BY 2030, NO FOSSIL FUELS?
NO POSSIBLE WAY.
WE WILL GO BROKE TRYING TO GET
THERE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. DIEHL.
ANOTHER QUESTION ON CLIMATE
CHANGE FOR YOU.
GOVERNOR BAKER SIGNED A MASSIVE
CLIMATE BILL THAT WOULD BRING
THE STATE CLOSE TO THE NET ZERO
GREEN HOUSE EMISSIONS BY 2050.
FIRSTEST, WOULD
FIRST, WOULD YOU HAVE SIGNED
THAT AND DO YOU BELIEVE CLIMATE
CHANGE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
CHALLENGES WE FACE?
>> LOOK, I DON’T THINK -- 2050,
UNTIL WE SEE HOW WE CAN PRODUCE
THE TYPE OF ENERGY, AND BY THE
WAY THERE ARE EFFORTS TO DO
THAT.
>> WOULD YOU HAVE SIGNED THE
DEAL?
>> WITHOUT KNOWING THE FULL
DETAILS I DON’T THINK I CAN
COMMENT ON THAT.
BUT IF THE GOAL IS TO BE
COMPLETELY CARBON FREEBIE 2050,
I’M NOT SURE IF WE CAN.
TRYING TO FORCE RATE PAYERS TO
ABSORB THE COST OF R & D WHICH
IS WHAT MASSACHUSETTS IS DOING,
IT IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE IT IS
OBVIOUSLY AFFECTING RATE PAYERS
AND WE DON’T HAVE THE
ELECTRICITY TO SHOW FOR IT.
THE OTHER THING, CHRIS SUNUNU
FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE SAID TO ME
PLEASE THANK CHARLIE BAKER FOR
THE R & D COSTS ARE ABSORBING IN
MASSACHUSETTS FOR THE AREAS
WHERE WE CREATE THE STAGING
AREAS, WHERE WE DO THE SOLAR
PANEL TAX CREDITS AND ALL OF
THAT.
WE ARE TAKING BASICALLY THE
BRUNT OF THE COST FOR DEVELOPING
RENEWABLES FOR THE ENTIRE NEW
ENGLAND CORRIDOR.
WE NEED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THOSE
ENERGY COMPANIES ABOUT TRYING TO
GET SOME OF THE MONEY BACK FOR
OUR RATE PAYERS WHO ARE HURTING
RIGHT NOW TRYING TO POWER THEIR
HOME.
64% INCREASE IN ELECTRICITY NEXT
MONTH IS CRAZY.
>> THANK YOU, MR. DIEHL.
MS. HEALEY, YOU IS A 30-SECOND
REBUTTAL.
>> I CAN TELL YOU I GREW UP IN
NEW HAMPSHIRE, MY FOLKS ARE
STILL THERE.
THEY’RE FACING THE SAME ENERGY
COSTS WE ARE IN MASSACHUSETTS.
INS
IN MASSACHUSETTS WE HAVE MORE.
AS GOVERNOR I WILL WORK ON
EFFORTS TO DIVERSIFY OUR
PORTFOLIO, TO REIN IN COSTS, TO
MODERNIZE THE GRID, TO BUILD OUT
THE TRANSMISSION LINES.
YOU KNOW, IMPORTANTLY, YOU KNOW,
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK AS
A REGION.
I WILL WORK WITH THE NORTHEAST
GOVERNORS TO GET THIS DONE.
>> MS. HEALEY, MR. DIEHL, THANK
YOU BOTH FOR YOUR ANSWERS TO
THOSE QUESTIONS.
ALISON, WE APPRECIATE THE
QUESTIONS.
FOR BOTH OF YOU HAVE, MEDICAL
EXPERTS ARE ALREADY ANTICIPATING
A DARK WINTER WHEN IT COMES TO
COVID AND THE FLU.
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN IF THERE’S
ANOTHER MAJOR COVID SURGE?
MS. HEALEY, YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS.
>> IT WILL BE TO CONTINUE TO
FOLLOW THE SCIENCE AND THE DATA.
I THINK THAT’S WHAT THE BAKER
ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE AND DONE
SUCCESSFULLY, AND THAT’S HOW I WOULD APPROACH THAT AS GOVERNOR.
ALSO, I THINK IT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE DO EVERYTHING
WE CAN TO KEEP OUR KIDS IN
SCHOOL, TO KEEP OUR BUSINESSES
GOING, TO KEEP OUR ECONOMY
FUNCTIONING.
>> IF WE SEE A SURGE, MASK OR NO
MASK?
>> IT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT
THE TIMES REQUIRE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
FOLLOWING THE SCIENCE AND THE
TATA
DATA ON THIS.
>> THANK YOU.
MR. DIEHL, SAME QUESTION.
WHAT IS YOUR PLAN IF THERE’S
ANOTHER COVID SURGE?
YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS.
>> AGAIN, OUR STATE -- EVERYBODY
TRIED TO LOCK DOWN TO SLOW THE
SPREAD, GOT VACCINATED.
I GOT VACCINATED.
I’M NOT ANTI-VACCINE BUT VERY
MUCH FOR PEOPLE’S CHOICE ON
HEALTH CARE.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE
SCIENCE AND WE SAW PFIZER TODAY
OR RECENTLY ADMITTED THAT THEY
DIDN’T TEST FOR PREVENTING
TRANSMISSION THROUGH THEIR COVID
VACCINATIONS.
SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE
SCIENCE HASN’T PROVEN THAT THE
VACCINES ACTUALLY STOPPED PEOPLE
FROM GETTING IT.
YOU GOT THE VACCINE ONE, VACCINE
TWO, THE BOOSTER ONE AND TWO,
YOU STILL WERE GETTING COVID.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SHUSH THATURE
DO DRASTIC THINGS LIKE SHUTTING
DOWN BUSINESSES.
ARBITRARILY BIG BOX STORES COULD
STAY OPEN BUT MOP AND POPS
COULDN’T.
ENHANCED UNEMPLOYMENT WAS GIVEN
TO PEOPLE AND IT WAS HARD FOR
BUSINESSES TO GET PEOPLE TO COME
BACK.
WHEN THEY DID WE SAW THE
PANDEMIC RECOVERY MONEY FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, INSTEAD OF
BEING USED TO FILL THE
UNEMPLOYMENT TRUST FUND MOST WAS
USED FOR PET PROJECTS.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE THE
NEXT PANDEMIC IF IT HAPPENS, AND
GOD FORBID IT HAPPENS, WE NEED
TO THINK ABOUT THE EXACT ON OUR
STATE.
>> THAT’S TIME.
MS. HEALEY, I SEE YOU WANT TO
JUMP IN WITH THE 30-SECOND
REBUTTAL.
I SEE YOU REACTING.
>> ONCE AGAIN, MY OPPONENT IS
FOR CHOICE AND HEALTH CARE
EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN.
LOOK, ON COVID, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
THROUGH SO MUCH.
I HAVE HEARD FROM AND WORKED
WITH MANY OF THE SMALL
BUSINESSES THAT WENT THROUGH A
LOT, THE LANDLORDS, THE TENANTS.
MY HEART GOES OUT TO THOSE WHO
LOST LOVED ONES DURING THIS.
MY THANKS, MY GRATITUDE GOES OUT
TO SO MANY IN THE HEALTH
COMMUNITY WHO CAME FORWARD AND
OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
IT SHOWS THE BEAUTIFUL
RESILIENCE OF THE STATE.
IT IS WHY I’M RUNNING FOR
GOVERNOR BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN
THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE.
I BELIEVE THAT THINGS ARE
POSSIBLE IF WE WORK TOGETHER.
YEAH, YOU KNOW, I’M NOT AN
ANTI-VAXXER.
I’M GOING TO FOLLOW THE SCIENCE.
>> THANK YOU BOTH.
I WANT TO HOLD IT THERE BECAUSE
BEFORE WE GET TO CLOSING
STATEMENTS WE HAVE QUICK
RESPONSE QUESTIONS FOR THE
CANDIDATES.
KEEP IT BRIEF.
AGAIN, IT IS QUICK RESPONSES
HERE.
MR. DIEHL, WE WILL START WITH
YOU.
WHAT LETTER GRADE WOULD YOU GIVE
GOVERNOR BAKER’S JOB
PERFORMANCE?
>> LOOK, I THINK -- I DO A B.
LIKE I THINK HE IS WORKING WITH
THE LEGISLATURE, A LEFT-LEANING
LEGISLATURE.
I THINK HE HAS DONE THE BEST HE
COULD TO ACCOMMODATE.
>> A B FROM MR. DIEHL.
WHAT ABOUT YOU, MS. HEALEY?
WHAT LETTER GRADE?
>> I’M A TEACHER.
I WON’T GIVE A GRADE.
I WILL TELL YOU HE HAS DONE A
REALLY GOOD JOB.
>> A, B OR C?
>> HE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.
>> OKAY.
MS. HEALEY, NAME SOMETHING BEING
GOVERNOR YOU ARE NOT LOOKING
FORWARD TO?
>> I’M JUST HERE TO ASK FOR THE
VOTER SUPPORT AND HOPEFULLY HAVE
SUCCESS ON NOVEMBER 9th.
THERE WILL BE A LOT OF
CHALLENGES.
I HEAR IT EVERY DAY,
AFFORDABILITY ISSUES AT THE VERY
TOP.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING
THOUGH.
>> MR. DIEHL, NAME SOMETHING
ABOUT BEING GOVERNOR YOU ARE NOT
LOOKING FORWARD TO?
>> I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
CHALLENGES BECAUSE THERE ARE A
LOT OF THEM AHEAD OF US, BUT
WHAT I’M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO
IS ADDITIONAL TIME AWAY FROM
FAMILY.
I SPENT A LOT OF TIME OVER THE
LAST 12 YEARS WITH MY DAUGHTERS
MISSING A LOT OF EVENTS THAT
THEY HAD, AND I JUST -- THEY
UNDERSTAND WHAT I WANT TO DO.
THEY BELIEVE IN THE MISSION.
>> LET ME JUMP IN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT.
THAT’S IT, CANDIDATES.
THANK YOU BOTH.
WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF
TONIGHT’S DEBATE.
IT MEANS IT IS TIME FOR YOUR
CLOSING STATEMENTS.
YOU EACH HAVE 60 SECONDS TO TELL
VOTERS WHY YOU SHOULD BE THE
NEXT GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS.
A COIN TOSS DETERMINED WHO WOULD
GO FIRST.
MR. DIEHL, WE START WITH YOU.
>> THANKS, LATOYIA AND THANKS TO
THE PANEL.
THANKS TO MAURA HEALEY FOR
PARTICIPATION.
I WANT TO SAY TO THE VOTERS OUT
THERE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME
TO GET TO THIS POINT.
I HAVE HAD A LOT OF SUPPORT.
BACK WHEN I FIRST DECIDED TO
RUN, OBVIOUSLY I WON THE PRIMARY
AND NOW TO BE THE NOMINEE FROM
THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.
BUT MY JOB IS NOT DONE.
WE STILL HAVE TO GET TO NOVEMBER
8th TO WIN THIS ELECTION.
SO I’M ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT
BECAUSE I’M GOING TO PROVIDE A
CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY
OPPONENT AND MYSELF WHEN IT
COMES TO LEADERSHIP FOR THE
STATE.
SHE BELIEVES THAT GOVERNMENT IS
GOING TO BE THE SOLUTION FOR
EVERYTHING.
I BELIEVE THAT INDIVIDUAL
FREEDOM, ECONOMIC FREEDOM,
TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN
CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS WITH YOUR
MONEY, MEDICAL FREEDOM, YOU
DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS WITH YOUR
HEALTH CARE CHOICES, AND MAKING
SURE THAT EDUCATIONAL FREEDOM,
YOU AS A PARENT AND KIDS GET TO
CHOOSE THE PATH YOU WANT GOING
FORWARD TO BE A SUCCESS SO YOU
CAN LIVE HERE AND NOT HAVE TO
LEAVE MASSACHUSETTS.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. DIEHL, FOR
YOUR TIME.
MS. HEALEY, YOU HAVE 60 SECONDS.
>> I HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO BE
YOUR ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE
PEOPLE’S LAWYER FOR THE LAST
EIGHT YEARS AND I WOULD BE
HONORED TO BE YOUR GOVERNOR.
YOU KNOW, I COME TO THIS BECAUSE
I BELIEVE IN THE PEOPLE OF THIS
STATE.
I BELIEVE SO MUCH IS POSSIBLE IF
WE WORK TOGETHER.
A LITTLE OF THAT IS MY
BACKGROUND, I WAS A BASKETBALL
PLAYER AND POINT GARLAND.
FOR THOSE POINT GUARDS OUT THERE
YOU KNOW IT IS NOT ABOUT THE
POINTS SCORED, IT IS ABOUT THE
ASSISTS, IT IS ABOUT PEOPLE
WORKING TOGETHER.
RIGHT NOW THAT’S WHAT WE NEED TO
DO, ESPECIALLY AS WE LOOK ACROSS
THIS COUNTRY WHERE TOO MANY ARE
LOOKING TO DIVIDE.
I WANT TO BE A GOVERNOR WHO IS
ABOUT DELIVERING FOR PEOPLE.
I WILL BE SOMEBODY WHO WILL DO
THAT BECAUSE I WILL WORK AT THE
LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
I WILL WORK WITH PEOPLE INSIDE
AND OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT.
I WILL WORK WITH THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY, AND I WILL FIND
COMMON GROUND.
I’M GOING TO WORK TO IMPROVE
EDUCATION AND JOB TRAINING, TO
MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE, TO
CREATE GREAT JOBS, TO CUT TAXES,
AND ALWAYS, ALWAYS TO PROTECT
REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM AND A
WOMAN’S CHOICE.
MY OPPONENT IS DONALD TRUMP’S
CHOICE FOR GOVERNOR.
I WOULD BE HONORED TO BE YOURS.
I ASK FOR YOUR VOTE IN NOVEMBER.
>> MS. HEALEY, THANK YOU.
MR. DIEHL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
THAT’S A WRAP.
WE WANT TO THANK OUR CANDIDATES.
WE WANT TO THANK OUR PANELISTS
AND ALL OF YOU AT HOME FOR
JOINING US TONIGHT AND SENDING
IN YOUR QUESTIONS.
THERE IS THE HANDSHAKE THERE
JUST NOW.
THERE’S SO MUCH MORE COMING UP
HERE ON OUR SISTER STATE, NECN,
AND ON OUR STREAMING PLATFORMS.
JOIN US AT 8:00 FOR A FULL
BREAKDOWN OF TONIGHT’S DEBATE.
WE HAVE OUR POLITICAL
COMMENTATOR, SUE O’CONNELL,
SWELL NBCAS
WELL AS NBC 10 ANCHOR CORY
SMITH.
CORY SMITH IS DOING DOUBLE DUTY.
HE WILL LEAVE AND HEAD TO OUR
GREEN ROOM.
HERE IS A LIVE LOOK FOR YOU AT
THE GREEN ROOM WHERE YOU SEE OUR
PUNDITS ARE STANDING BY WITH SUE
O’CONNELL.
THEY WATCHED THE DEBATE.
THEY HAVE THEIR OPINIONS WHO
WON, WHO LOST, WHO DID GREAT,
WHO DID NOT DO GREAT.
THEY HAVE THEIR OPINIONS.
WE WILL FIND ABOUT IT COMING UP.
YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT ON OUR
MOBILE APPS AS WELL AS ROKU AND
APPLE TV PLUS.
THANKS FOR JOINING US HERE AT
THE BOSTON MEDIA CENTER.
I’M LATOYIA EDWARDS.
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING, DON’T FORGET TO VOTE FOR
THE NEXT GOVERNOR OF
MASSACHUSETTS ON NOVEMBER 8th.
HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. ♪